SEARCH
Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories

PianoSupplies.com (a division of Piano World) Piano & music accessories, music theme decoratons, tuning & repair tools, moving equipment, party goods,music gift items, ... more
Free shipping on Jansen Artist Benches.
(ad) irocku - Rock Piano Lessons
irocku rock piano lessons
ad (Pianoteq)
Create your own piano with Pianoteq!
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad 125) Sweetwater
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
Who's Online
121 registered (beet31425, Augustina, BDB, 36251, Adam Coleman, AprilMae), 1036 Guests and 7 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Ad (Pearl River)
Pearl River Pianos
Forum Stats
64892 Members
40 Forums
132554 Topics
1894489 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)
Forums by Piano World

www.pianoworld.com
Advertise on Piano World
Topic Options
#1427140 - 04/30/10 12:55 PM [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Hello everyone:

I recorded this performance a couple of days ago. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and feedback. I'm always looking to learn and improve smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnH52Sxflhg

Thanks and I hope you all have a great weekend,

Phil
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
Piano & Music Acc. / Sheet Music


Sheet Music Plus Homepage
#1427200 - 04/30/10 02:17 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
ChrisKeys Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 1190
Loc: Dallas, TX
Phil, very nice playing! Tempo seems right, though somehow I felt like it needed a little more steadiness. Some of the ornaments differ from what I have in my edition, (it's edited by R. Kirkpatrick), but the differences are just fine.

I do admit to being puzzled a couple times, though. At about 0:30 and 0:48 you play the ornaments before the beat rather than on the beat. I believe they should always be played on the beat. Everywhere else in this performance, you play the ornaments on the beat. Were the "before the beat" occurrences deliberately choices, or did they just "happen?" If they were deliberate choices, I'm curious what your reasoning was.

Top
#1427662 - 05/01/10 08:06 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: ChrisKeys]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Great feedback-thanks.

Re: the ornaments being played off the beat at times, no, that definitely just happened. I need to work more on being conscious of making sure to keep this consistent.

Thanks again for the feedback:-)

Phil
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1428230 - 05/02/10 08:44 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: ChrisKeys]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Wanted to share these comments with the community.

Here are the notes my very accomplished teacher sent me after viewing the video:

"1. It sounded a little too much. Maybe you can be a little bit more selective about what you do. I think it is hard to explain in email. Can I show you at our lesson?

2. I would try to layer the voices a little bit more, so one can hear the horizontal lines of each voice a little bit better.

Great work! Thanks or sharing this with me."

My teacher is right, in sections it is a bit too much - perhaps that was because I had to wrestle a bit with the Steinway D I was playing and time constraints-but those are lame excuses. I just need to bring in a bit more control and stay truer to the period.

I also agree on the horizontal voicing, I need to be more conscious of this and not be so focused on the RH melody.

I will be performing this live on May 24th in recital, and I will post a video of that performance for all of you.

Thank you so much for the feedback, please keep it coming. I have so much to learn.

Phil
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1428236 - 05/02/10 09:10 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
apple* Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 19476
Loc: Kansas
this piece is interpreted by performers in so many 'ways'.

i enjoyed your performance, your ornaments. Are you studying this with your teacher? For some reason this piece is difficult to control..(particularly during performance) to steadily let the melody flow without tempo variations. I don't know why this is such a difficult piece. You've a great job.

If you really like love the Goldberg Variations, Gould (the '81 version)and Schiff both play them marvelously.

I do find your body movements a bit distracting.. thinking, oh no, there's the head bob again.. rather than listening to the music. The marvelous melody of the aria I think is 'entertainment' enough.

thankyou
_________________________
accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few

love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)

Top
#1428238 - 05/02/10 09:15 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
Bart Kinlein Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 709
Loc: Maryland
Quote:
I also agree on the horizontal voicing, I need to be more conscious of this and not be so focused on the RH melody.


Possibly the most difficult (certainly for me) facet of playing Bach (and other contrapunctual music) really well. And my experience - a really large piano (Bosendorfer Imperial Grand in my case) makes it even harder. Just too much. Much prefer my "A" for Bach.

But overall, a very nice job.


Edited by Bart Kinlein (05/02/10 09:20 AM)
_________________________
Steinway 1905 model A, rebuild started 2008, completed 2012
Yahama CVP-401
Will somone get my wife off the Steinway so I can play it!

Top
#1428457 - 05/02/10 05:15 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
landorrano Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/26/06
Posts: 1895
Loc: Andorra
Originally Posted By: PhilipHotchkiss
and stay truer to the period.


This was my feeling, from the very first notes. The question of polyphony is one side of that.

I have the impression that you are playing to what you have heard, instead of reading Bach.

Top
#1428543 - 05/02/10 08:21 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: apple*]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Thank you for the comments.

It is deceptively difficult isn't it - and I agree, it's interpreted in so many ways.

I also appreciate the feedback on the body movements. I need to moderate these. I don't do it consciously - but I do need to remove that when it distracts from the music. Thank you for your candor.

Yes, I studied it with my teacher. But I took some liberties outside of her teachings and I need to revisit the piece with her and listen to more of her feedback.

Thanks again!

Phil
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1428548 - 05/02/10 08:26 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: landorrano]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Yes, I think there is some truth to your comment. I think it's at a point where it's a combination of playing to what I've been taught, what I feel when I play and think about this Aria and what I've heard all at once! It's not cohesive enough yet.

Thanks for your feedback and for listening-much appreciated.

I will post my video of my upcoming performance of this piece on May 24th - by then, I hope to have some of this ironed out.

Phil
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1428553 - 05/02/10 08:41 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: apple*]
beet31425 Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 2789
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: apple*
If you really like love the Goldberg Variations, Gould (the '81 version)and Schiff both play them marvelously.


And Gould's '55 version, deliberately left out by apple, but a very important recording to me. smile

Philip, this is a very sensitive interpretation. Thanks for sharing. My inclination would be to have less tempo variation, and more of a sense of a slow, stately, steady pulse, unchanging, defined mostly by the lowest voice. I don't know how historically accurate the notion of the steady pulse is, or whether I'm just influenced by Gould, but I imagine it would provide some of the cohesion you say you're seeking.

-Jason
_________________________
Learning: Polonaise-Fantasie, Scherzo 1, op.59 mazurkas
Refining: Chopin 27/2, 25/1, 10/9, 10/5, 10/6

Top
#1428759 - 05/03/10 03:04 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: beet31425]
landorrano Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/26/06
Posts: 1895
Loc: Andorra
Originally Posted By: beet31425
My inclination would be to have less tempo variation, and more of a sense of a slow, stately, steady pulse, unchanging, defined mostly by the lowest voice.


I agree. Not because it is the "correct" way to play but because it is the only way to get a firm handle on the piece.

By the way, I wouldn't speak of a steady pulse, but of a pulse that pushes forward, a very baroque principle, and tightly linked to the portato.

Top
#1428879 - 05/03/10 10:03 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: beet31425]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Thank you Jason - calling this is a sensitive interpretation means a lot to me.

And you're absolutely right about the "pulse".

I am going to put these comments to work later today at the piano and really focus on this to bring about more cohesion.

Again thanks.
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1428881 - 05/03/10 10:05 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: landorrano]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Thank you - yes, "pushing forward" - my teacher has used this same phrase with me when we worked on this piece. This focus on a pulse, yet with the feeling of this pulse pushing forward.

Thank you for reminding me of this mindset - I will put this to work later today when I practice.

Thanks much!

Phil
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1428885 - 05/03/10 10:12 AM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: Bart Kinlein]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Thanks for the feedback Bart. I agree. I recently came across an old Baldwin off in the corner of a practice area at MacPhail. So I thought I'd give it a play. I played a couple of pieces, including this Bach Aria-what amazed me was how light the action was yet the piano had a very nice tone.

The light action, compared to what I'm used to on my Steinway B, really helped with some of the ornaments in particular and the flow of the piece.

Pianos are so individual - especially Steinways (I've never played a Bosendorfer) in my experience.

But I loved this 5' 7'' or so Baldwin grand.
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1429083 - 05/03/10 04:22 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
landorrano Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/26/06
Posts: 1895
Loc: Andorra
Originally Posted By: PhilipHotchkiss
Thank you - yes, "pushing forward" - my teacher has used this same phrase with me when we worked on this piece. This focus on a pulse, yet with the feeling of this pulse pushing forward.

Thank you for reminding me of this mindset - I will put this to work later today when I practice.

Thanks much!

Phil


What you say gives me great pleasure. Makes me think, maybe I should go into teaching, open up "L'Andorrano's hair and piano institute".

Actually, I couldn't think of an appropriate word in English for what I wanted to say. In French one might say "allant", il faut avoir de l'allant, it should have allant. Allant strictly translated means going, but as a musical terminology it fits very well. Andante has the same sense, this forward movement of the music, but andante seems in English to be denuded of this sense and only infers tempo. Andante would mean walking or going.



Edited by landorrano (05/03/10 04:23 PM)

Top
#1429103 - 05/03/10 04:56 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: landorrano]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
I love it. First the hair - people always feel better after a hair cut, or for women, after they get their hair done. So what better way to flow into a lesson then when you're feeling confident, revived, etc.

L'Andorrano's hair and piano institute it is...
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top
#1429104 - 05/03/10 04:59 PM Re: [Video Performance] Bach - Goldberg Variations: Aria [Re: PhilipHotchkiss]
PhilipHotchkiss Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/05/10
Posts: 107
Loc: San Francisco Bay Area, CA
Really excited:

Just had a lesson with my teacher on the Bach Aria - came prepared with sticky notes all over the score incorporating some of you're collective feedback- nailed down some of the key areas that need to be tightened up and it now feels really cohesive.

I need to practice many of these subtle and not so subtle changes, exorcise the bad habits and then bring the piece back up to recording/performance level.

Thanks everyone!
_________________________
Philip Hotchkiss
Amateur Classical Pianist



Top



What's Hot!!
JOIN Us on Our New Piano Tour of Europe!
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
Piano Books
-------------------
panic
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Wessell, Nickel, & Gross Piano Actions
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
sheet music search
sheet music search

sheet music search
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
(ad) GROTRIAN
GROTRIAN Pianos
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Recent Posts
This week: Chicago Amateur Piano Competition, Keys to City
by Mark_C
1 minute 0 seconds ago
Problem with repetition due to rebound from hammer rail?
by Supply
1 minute 12 seconds ago
Headphone Advice:Reference 'Phones or Not? Open or Closed?
by Hubert
2 minutes 41 seconds ago
Ok, so I've been thinking about Max's cardboard fix
by Supply
12 minutes 17 seconds ago
Nord Piano Software Bug
by jazzwee
19 minutes 30 seconds ago
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Virtual Piano Chords



 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |
 
PianoSupplies.com


Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| Del.icio.us |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2012 Piano World all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission